There were only 200 Fallen so who are all the rest, so who are all the rest?

I'm a member of a few forums, and I lurk on many more than I ever bother to join, and I've read so many posts by people claiming to be fallen/grigori, but there were only 200 fallen, so who are all the rest?
Even with pretty poor mathematical skills I could work out that all the people alive today who claim fallen/grigori as their Kin type can't all be one of the 200 grigori like they claim.
So what are they instead?

Thats been a problem for me for quite sometime.
Most figure that because there was more than one biblical fall they must be one of the others but even if the bible is correct it only accounts for 203.
( The Grigori, adam and eve and Lucifer)

But there are as Shade noticed, many more people who feel this way than are actually documented in any physical book.
The remainder are the ones I have been trying to pass on the message about for so long. The ones who, for whatever reason, have a piece of their essence missing.
The Fallen can get practical help. All of them.. but showing people that it is a real possibility is very much an uphill struggle.
There are a few that have taken the plunge which for me is very cool but I wish it was more.
I am a perfectionist so I am not going to be happy until I got you all sorted people.

Zygo :flame:

I'm not saying I doubt what you're saying because it makes sense, but I'd still like to ask you how come you're the only person to think like this?

I suppose really I am not the only one but I am the only one prepared to vocalise it at the moment.
Why am I so sure?

The short answer is because it's what I do.
The long one is.
Shortly after the great library was established and the Wraith started to collect the items now found there. We discovered that some of the items still had places or people that they should belong to, so we set up a particular section of the library as a kind of lost and found office.
So whilst being the keeper, or one of the keepers, of the great library, I run that partcular section.
I have known about the Fallen and how to "fix" or "heal" them for a very long time but transferring that information from lifetime to lifetime is really not that easy. As you can imagine making sure certain memories are always available can be quite a challenge. I still haven't quite sorted out how I do it but the library plays a big part in it just as it does for many other peoples important memories.
People come through the Library all the time collecting things but the fallen tend to believe that it is not possible for them to be given back what they call their connection to the source by anyone but the source.
Just for the record I am not the source but I do have access to those lost pieces needed by the Fallen ones.
Only myself and two other people within the library have access to each seperate piece (if it has been found) but if we are approached we can take steps to make sure that the connection in question is found and returned to it's owner.
In some ways with the strange array of information available the internet has made my job harder but in many ways I think eventually it will make it much easier.
Hopefully posts like this are the first steps to that goal.

Zygo :flame:

I want to tell you that I'm proud of you.
I know plenty of people think that the Library is just you trying to be precious, but I've lived with it, and you, while you work for and with it, and it's no picnic.
I've seen how tired you get and how little you sleep sometimes. And I know that others here and in other places have been there and seen you there too, so any doubts that others may have shouldn't effect you, you may not have proof for them, but you have corroboration for yourself. Just keep doing what you're doing and it will come right.
I believe in you.

My love as always.
V. xx

Thankyou is all I can think of to write but it doesn't say nearly enough.
:heart:

Zygo :flame:

The problem with a sweeping number like 200 is that it's very open to interpretation sometimes, or the error of the writer.

Given that Angels are classified largely as messengers, the more beings there are and the more there is in existence, the more messengers are needed.

Given the larger definitions and the 9 choir breakdown of Summa Theologica, it is further introduced that Angels have many purposes, very few of which directly involve mankind or the physical plane of existence at all.

If these are to be believed, then it would come to pass that there are increases in the number of Angels, and also that the number of Angels that mankind was aware of is very small. The latter point may or may not be true of the written account's numbers if it is believed that the number was given to the writer as divine inspiration.

It is also a point to remember that often people identify several large Falls. I believe there were two, the Fall of the Grigori, and the original Fall (which I believe occurred before the physical plane existed). I have heard from others there was a third, but I do not have a lot of information on that.

Because these are large in number, they are recorded, but I believe, and it is quite possible, that one or two Angels every now and again do commit some crime worthy of the proverbial court martial and Fall from grace.

Given this information, it might be that the source is claiming that there were only 200 Angels that were part of the Grigori, and it speaks of them as Fallen Angels. It is also possible that it accounts for them as Fallen Angels, and for the previous ones to be considered Demons and therefore not under the classification of Fallen angel. As an example, some religious texts and sources refer to Lucifer/Morning Star/Satan not as an Angel or even Fallen Angel but rather as "the beast" or as a Demon or even Dragon.

There is also the possibility of inflation of numbers over time given that, if angels have a purpose and a job, if one Falls, another Angel must take its place. This could be believed that more Angels are created. If then over time, more Angels Fall, then the number 200 slowly grows.

What do you guys think?

Oh I get what you're saying Terro it would be difficult to keep track of the fallen if more of them are being created so to speak but then again usually when the term fallen is used people are reffering to the original 200.

I for one find myself sticking with Zy's theory of the fallen being otherkin with lost parts, having seen physical proof.

Throws huge hug Ser's way. :D

I've seen the results of Zygo's work myself and I'm glad to see other's who understand too. How is Demetry? I hope he's well.

What previous ones?

The previous ones being those that are believed to be the original Fallen, Morning Star and all that. Such events would have transpired prior to the creation of mankind being that "Satan" appears in the garden of Eden as temptation.

Physical proof? where can this be found? I'm very interested in that.

How many others fell with Lucifer? I know there were a few, but wondered if any approximate numbers were given as to the size of this fall.

I don't have much of an idea as to the numbers, however it is said that a third of the host of Heaven Fell.

Im good thanks for asking velvet, its kinda strange like getting readjusted in your own skin but pretty fun at the same time. Terro I would think that Ser was reffering to me as her physical proof if that clears things up and yeah Im all for Zygo's theory as well it would be kinda dumb to not be at this point :lol: .

It's really nice to see you back again, I'm glad you're doing well.
Just to keep up with tradition and be completely off topic. LOL
I LOVE your new Sig Demetry.

Is that one of Ser's or is it yours?
Lovely to have you with us again.
Love Vel xx

Ahh yes thats one of mine, Ser has talking to badgering me about actually writing them down. I guess she's rubbing of on me :lol: