Ok so if it IS in the soul where does turning come into it?

I am new to all this and only really know what I've read, but even though that isn't much right now I'm reading more every day. (It's a really interesting subject).

I have read where some people say they don't think it can be done. Some who flat out say it can't, some who say they can but don't, some who say they can but won't, some who can't themselves but know others who can, some who say they can't themselves but have seen it done and some who say they are sure they COULD if they tried but they can't be bothered to try............Oh I could go on all day listing things. HOW am I supposed to know what is true?

I mean if it's in the soul turning should be impossible shouldn't it?

And the twin-kin thing just confuses me even more!
Sorry everybody.

Dea.

Quite simply......... It doesn't.

To be honest with you I don't know how you are supposed to take all the various things other people say and, without having much personal knowledge to guide you, decide what is and is not possible, and what is or is not feasible.
I could tell you what I know, but would that help you?
Think about it, whatever you read, or see, hear, or over-hear is only going to tell you what the other people think, and then you are supposed to decide which one of these people you believe, which one of their versions of the truth is correct or at least sounds most likely.
Some people depend on the fact that they can sound plausible even when they are telling untruths. In every walk of life and every class of being there are people of this kind. They could tell you the moon is made of concrete and if they are convincing enough you will believe them. And it is not because you are gullible or suggestible, it is simply that they are so good at telling lies and so practiced in the art of deception that they can get almost anyone to believe almost anything.
It helps of course that you are scared, angry, desperate, lonely and full of doubts and questions at the time. Newly awakening kin are usually like this, I do not mean just you.
These people, these con artists, reach the newbies when they are at their most vulnerable and this for me is disgusting and must be stopped. I feel an intense amount of anger towards them, that no amount of distance in time or miles seems to lessen in any way, and so before I go completely I will apologise, (sorry everyone) stop now and rein myself back in.

It is accepted by nearly all kin that kin-ness is in the essence/spirit/soul. These spirits are placed in the 'to be' bodies at the moment of conception, just like human souls are. You CANNOT rip out a person's soul and replace it with a different one. No-one can. There are no spells, incantations, drugs, infectious diseases, no charm or amulet, no talisman or herbal concoction. No matter how much you might want it.
It is not like a sexually transmitted disease, you cannot 'catch it' from sex or loving closeness, you cannot get it from a bite, a sting or a scratch!
The word bite also means: to cheat, decieve, defraud, dupe, mislead, outwit or trick! Coincidental isn't it? I personally do not believe in coincidences.....
Turning is a Hollywood fallacy. And anyone who tells you they can do it or have seen it done should be avoided at all costs.
The truth is a stranger to these people who will tell you anything in order to seem more important and less insignificant than they actually truly are.

I am very sorry if this upsets anyone................Hey truthfully, I'm not sorry. I don't give a damn. The truth is the truth and I do not exist to bolster the fragile egos of these charlatans and liars!

From a phoenix's point of view.

If any one of us were to try and infuse enough essence into a human body to change it, it's spirit would simply burn away until the body died.
If we took spirit from the human and then tried to replace it with enough of our spirit to make a new person we would both physically die.
All phoenix can give energy to another spirit to help it regenerate and heal but that does not change it, it only allows it to heal itself.

It is impossible for a phoenix to change any spirit (human or Kin) into a Phoenix.

Zygo

edited to say
Shade you Rock

I think there are some kin who are adept at instinctually finding other kin who have yet to awaken. These kin could then help the new kin see themselves for what they are, giving the illusion of turning, but in reality they were always kin. We are very susceptible to what those we trust believe. In finding the truth search within yourself and study it, feel if it is right or not. If you do not lie to yourself, others will have difficulty lying to you as well.

You cannot be turned, we cannot turn others. We are not diseases, we are not dead, we are simply souls that have more awareness than those around us. We are different and everlasting even if our shells are not. You cannot change us, and we cannot change you. Craving to be something that you are not is a sad and unfruitful life. Accept who and what you are and move on.

turning propaganda makes me twitchy.

I am another one of those who stands up and says that turning is a load of rubbish, no matter who you talk to or what they say to argue that it is possible.
Ask them HOW it happens and I bet they will not be able to tell you.

I say you cannot bite someone and make them a vampire or a werewolf. It's not a disease. You cannot give it to anybody!

Some people might tell you that they turned someone just by close contact with them or intimitely through passion or sex. But that is not turning. That is enforced or early awakening. Where the latent kin spirit in the so called 'turned' one, responds to the call of the kin spirit within the 'turner', and is awakened artificially early.
This might appear to the uninitiated as an event like turning but upon closer examination of all the facts proves to be nothing of the sort.

And it does NOT just happen to Vampires and Weres. This kind of contact awakening can happen to any kin.

I don't understand one thing still with all of this.
Even IF turning explained Vampires and Weres, and yes, I know that it doesn't, but even IF it did......
How do they explain the rest of us????
HOW do you explain turning with a bite to an Elf or a Pegasus or a Fairy for goodness sake!
Ane what about Fallen Angels, who bit them, the cherubs???

Ah, I wish they would just admit that the whole thing is ridiculous, and just move on.

they just don't connect one and one together, that's all. They don't have the answers so they make them up in a way that sounds plausible to them.

The easiest way for them to explain us is just not to recognise that we exist at all.
That way they don't have to think about it.

Zygo

It's kind of a comfort thing too I think, like a toddler's/child's blankie.

I dislike the fact that these people who make up this stuff feel they have the right to do this. It is almost like the more ridiculous they can make us sound and appear, the less real we are, and the less frightening we become for them.
So they are safe, and can go on with their lives, pretending we are these mythical figures or just figures of fun. They can sleep soundly at night because they don't have us to worry about.

Everybody say Ahhhhh..

Erm is that spelt Aaaahhhh? or Aaarrrrgghh!!!!!

I hate the way they need to explain me away!!! I exist as kin just because I do. No-one ever questions the existence of my human half do they???

I can't feel sorry though, I am so very happy to be me, who and what I am, and I'm getting more happy about it every day, especially since I came here.


Dea.

Actually you make some really good points there.

I'm related to some humans, and they are not violent, mean, cruel or anything like that. And yet............
I do not dare tell them about me for fear of their reaction. I am scared of what they might think and say, and terrified of how telling them might change the way they feel about me.
How can this be?? Why should this be???
These are the people who know me the best in the whole world, they have nurtured me, they have and do love me, so why am I so afraid?

This is the only thing about the whole kin thing that I truly hate.........
It hurts me so much.

Darke.

I edited this because this is off topic and I wanted to apoogise.
Sorry Lady C.

Well my parents said they would always love me no matter what.

But I think they meant if I was gay or something. I think this might be pushing it even for their enlightened outlook and attitudes!!

And Bless 'em, I really think this is something they'd be better off NOT knowing!

I agree with that.
I think the people I know and love are much better off not knowing about this, at least for now.
I'm not saying I'd never tell them, but the attitudes of others would have to change a lot before I would. I'm not so worried about their response to me, as I am about others reaction toward THEM. I have to think about this because my parents deserve that consideration.

Dea.

I think it's the fear of alienation that keeps us silent. I am happy with the way my loved ones treat me. To tell them i believe i am other would probably twist their perceptions in ways that would alienate me from them. It's a matter of what's more important, that they know the truth, or keeping things the way they are? are you willing to risk the current state of things by opening a door that could either lead to greater understanding or a rift between family? I am fairly certain that my parents, though one is a psychic, would not be able to believe me. It is beyond their scope to question the state of the soul. Your form is human and thus you are human sort of mentality. But what is human? Humans pretend to know the answer, but really no one knows. There are things we don't know, connection that cannot be logically made, and pieces to the puzzle that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with impossibilities. There are beings both human and other that See the future, see auras, feel other peoples emotions, feel the weight of the world, connect with things that aren't physical, speak to things not of this plane. There is no set rule to our lives nor our reality. Merely the rules we set in place so that we can get a grasp on all the way things are without going mad. Sadly most humans are bound by rules that make impossibilities stay that way, and make things that are real, non existant. There are some who's own rules can be widened to accept our existance, but that is few. So we can either be satisfied with merely knowing there are others like us who can believe or we can try to convince those who probably won't believe. Some times it works, but most times I'd rather let them be naive.

You make some excellent points Katie.

My family accepts me as a Wiccan/Witch/Pagan/HedgeWitch/Solitary White Witch...........Now...But that has taken me years with some of them.
My children have been brought up with it so they simply do not question, but my parents are a different matter.
My children are OK with the Vampire, but they have been told in no circumstances to discuss that with ANYONE!!!! Especially NOT their grandparents.
My parents would be completely lost. They just wouldn't know HOW to deal with information like that, and in such circumstances I don't think it is fair to tell them.
I wouldn't be teling them for them, I would be doing it for me and that would just be mean, so I do not intend to rock their boat like that.
I am not going to be the one who turns their retirement cruise into a re-enactment of 'The Posiedon Adventure'!

My non kin friends are too good to risk losing like Katie says. I just don't want to have them fear me, pity me, hate me or laugh at me when they used to care about me. And I don't want to have to hate them because of the way they are treating me since I told them. So I shall stay silent.
As for the rest of the human race I do not care to explain myself to them. They don't know me and I don't know them, so they don't matter.

Moon.