Yeah, safe haven would be just about right.

I think that's kind of what I meant, but didn't put very well.

I mean there's you on one hand saying your a human body with a displaced Kin soul in it.
Then there's lots of, well, us I suppose, on the otherhand saying that we're Kin souls living for now in a human body.

So as I see it you connect firstly to your human bit as your major part and then Kin, and we connect firstly to our Kin bit as our major part and then human.

There are lots of us here who think Kin first, then human, so maybe what I should have said is out numbered instead of out of place? lol

Good-oh that's what I like to hear.

I am relieved to find I'm not the only one who puts things wrong, and says something unfortunate when they mean to say something completely different.
Thank goodness this isn't the kind of place where people jump on you for honest mistakes.
I think you're OK Rosa.

Well apart from not knowing what happens after this body goes where all bodies go, I have an idea that all energy will go somewhere because as has been said energy doesn't just go away, but I don't think it works the same way for Non-Kin as it does for Kin, because I don't think they are the same at all.
I think Non-Kin souls are made of the same energy as Kin essences, but that it reacts to the death of the body in a completely different way, because a Kin essence still has sentience it stays together in it's entirety, but a Non-Kin essence that passes over loses it's sentience during that phase and so has nothing to keep it together, and disperses into atoms.

Great topic Kes.
Keep it up.

Thanks Faith.

I like the idea of passing over being what causes the loss of sentience, because that explains to me how the spirits that have not passed into the light yet still recall all the details about their lives. Maybe some of the ones that haven't passed over haven't because they don't want or aren't ready to give up who they were for whoever they will become part of next time. If they are very attached to the lives they had and aren't ready to move on then they would cling to the places they lived and worked, or maybe where they died or were buried.
Hmm. Lots to think on there.
Thanks again.
Kes.

Oooops did I do it again?

Sorry everyone.

Thanks faith.

I believe what happens after we die, depends a lot on our method of despatch. If we pass peacefully in our sleep then we cross gently over to wherever our vibration dictates we should go. However if we should have a sudden or violent passing then the transition is often not quite so smooth and trouble free.
I still believe though that it is the vibration of your essence that dictates whether death will be the journey's end or the rest stop between existences.

I too have seen myself, or at least as much of myself as it is possible to see.
I have no actual physical form outside of a human body, and so to call myself human would be completely absurd.
So I hold my 'hand' up also Fallen Kin. I am not human.

for my beliefs on kin and non-kin's relations to each other, i haven't been able to come up with a statement for my beliefs that makes total sense. It all began as a feeling and feelings, for me, are hard to put into words sometimes. but i trust my feelings since i always felt different, always felt there was a unity to everything and felt there were others like me who were aware of the world as i was.

the rough sketch of my feeling is they are asleep and we are waking up. but they believe their dreaming is waking and most don't wish to believe otherwise.

when i can describe myself and my beliefs better, i'll let you know.

hmm death its not something i can say i have thought about alot. i have alot of conflicting ideas when it comes to the subject.
my rational mind tells me their is nothing, we just seem to rot in a box.
my spiritual side tells me to believe in an otherside because i believe that everyone has a soul and that has to go somewhere?
ontop of that i was brought up a catholic though i never truely believed it until my grandad died. i found that i couldnt just sit there and believe he was just a body rotting in the ground.

so at the moment im at a cross roads on the suject :s

I find that I am leaning more toward the Kin essences renewing their lives, but Non-Kin seperating at the time of bodily death into seperate atoms and dispersing.
For several reasons.
Firstly, because of the reports from Non-Kin who have had a near death experience, of a white light and a tunnel, and a feeling of love from a collective energy that was so familiar to all those who experienced it.
Secondly because of the excellent idea of Faith's that explains to me the existence of human spirits that do not pass over straight away, but remain in a familiar place and retain their living identity until they do find the light and return to the communal pool of light.
Also because of the experiences many humans have who recieve donor organs from deceased Non-Kin. ( I say Non-Kin as a Kin organ would not contain traces of the donors essence, as that would be entire, either in another incarnation already, or in the 'between' awaiting another incarnation.) These people report feeling differently because of their new organ. Their families report changes in attitudes and behaviour after transplants have taken place, and put these changes down to residual spiritual energy from the donor. I believe this could not happen if re-incarnation was a possibility for Non-Kin, as the energy trace from the donor, necessarily transferred with the organ in order to effect these changes, could not happen, unless after death the soul seperates into atoms, and what energy from the soul resides in the organ moves with it into the new body, and what is free (ie, no longer in use) disperses into the pool of light to be re-used as someone else.
I believe that in donor organs part of the spirit of the donor lives on because of this split, and it is a comforting thought to many family members of donors too, that part of their loved one is still alive and happy inside the body of the donor recipient.

Donor Organs. I'd not thought of that, and all that implies, but I love the fact that you did.
Thanks Cobweb, for adding to my original idea so marvellously.