Perhaps it is a percieved nothing.
Rather than ceasing to exist and actually becoming nothing, perhaps it is that because of the way they chose to end their lives they would cease to exist to the rest of their race, a kind of Demon Kin shunning if you will, and as such to the rest of the Demon race they would become nothing.
Honour when talked of in this way, usually demands that you face each and every obstacle with dignity and courage, and for many suicide is the act of ultimate cowardice. This would then go against the code of honour for a Demon and could feasibly result in the sinner being excommunicated and ceasing to exist to the rest of his community.

Oh that's very sad.
Do many Demons commit suicide hultsimer?
I guess they must really or they wouldn't have made a rule that said that would they?
I feel sorry for them, suicide isn't the easy way out a lot of people seem to think it is. It takes finding your back against a wall and believeing truly that you have no other way out.
It's the very final sad and desperate act of a really mixed up and unhappy person, and I think it takes guts.
I think it takes complete helplessness, and total isolation form anyone who can help, but guts too.

Actually a lot of us don't commit suicide. A good portion of us really do hold true to honor and pride.

I remember before I was awakened. I went through the whole angsty teenager thing. And I've finding myself wanting to kill myself. I came close too, but I could never bring myself to do it. It was because by demon side kept me from doing it.

There are so many different diverse demons and demonkin out there that you can't really put a solid description on what a demon is. I mean definitons of demons vary from culture to culture, from one persons perception to another and can be a raging horned beast or a common python or a fox.

It really depends on what culture the demonkin comes from as to what a demon means to them. There are no definite rules or guidelines for demons and demonkin, it'll vary for each one. It also depends on the individual person, for some people (demonkin or not) honour means nothing, suicide is frequently attempted and one night stands (especially for some succubi/inccubi) are a necessity. Diversity is amazing.

I am always amazed by the diversity of Kin on each and every forum on the internet, however I feel that if we didn't generalise about some small things we would never be able to converse about many of the things that we all seem to find so fascinating.
We use phrases like 'for many' and 'many Kin', 'an amazing number of' and 'most of the ones I've met', when discussing topics because we know that for every twenty or thirty Kin we meet/talk to who all do a certain thing, we will meet one who does not, and never has.

I have very little knowledge of the kinds of Demons being discussed here, and without some generalisation all any of us will ever learn about any of us is that we are all different.
We already know that, and so the best we can hope for is a little personal inside information if the person is willing to give it, and a lot of generalisation, with our fingers crossed that all who read the things we have written know that we do so on the understanding that while the information may be true for us personally, and for many others, it may not be true for them, and probably many others of their kind too.
We have to be tolerant of the views of others and their rights to express those views as well as they are able, and use common sense and understanding to give them a chance to express themselves and try to be understood.
That is what we are all here for.
At least that is why I opened this forum in the first place.

Every Vampire is different, each feeding method tweeked slightly to suit the individual, each Were feels the moon and responds to it differently, each Elf has a slightly different view of Magick, Nature, etc eta.
No two anythings are exactly alike, but we have to give a little on each point or we will get nowhere.
Hultsimer has freely admitted that there are things he doesn't understand fully himself yet, and so explaining it to others has proved hard for him, but I think he has made a good start, he has given us all questions aswell as answers and once we know what to ask we are half way to finding the answers.
Thankyou hultsimer and I'm looking forward to hearing more.

*scratches head* hehe. Well it's my pleasure really. Learning is really fun.

If you are a Water demon, what makes you that?
Is it the energy you manipulate? The location you live in as a Demon? The energy that makes up your essence?
All of those or something totally different?

Perhaps it's not my question to answer but.
Generally your element comes from all of those things kes. The most prominant is the one you are made up of.
For instance wolves are earthy people while I am mostly a fire person, Bears are a bit of a mix but mostly water with a bit of earth in there. Felines are quite earthy too as are most therians. Pegasus are Air and earth based which makes them quite a steady sort usually (being well balanced)
Vampires incidentally, as far as I have experience of, are Spirit based. Another thing which sets them aside from other Kin types. Very few beings are Akasha based. the only other I can think of is Shadow.

Zygo.

Hopefully we can do this without becoming confusing. My walk-in Kanii wants to reply to this directly (something we haven't done before so excuse us if there's some confusion.) So, here's Kanii.

As she said, I'm crimsonmelody's walk-in, Kanii. We share a body along with my ward, Evin. If you wish to know more of this topic, you can message us if you so like. I, like hultsiimer, am a demon. In this life, for my own purposes and reasons, I am unable to live without Nibby's physical body and so we live as one physical being. I will tell this from my own experience. A demon in a kin sense is most often a demon as the Greeks describe, a being made of energy. Actually the links that Terro posted do a fantastic job of describing us. I particularily enjoy lynx, my favorite animal, and so choose take the form of one, at least energetically as I do not have a physical body. I'm not used to posting in forums so please forgive me if its hard to understand. I do believe I've said all I wish to and so I'm going to give this back to Nibby.

Nibby here. Anyways, about the elemental side of demons, they have an affinity for elements just like any other being has. Kanii's also a water, I don't know if that has any siginificance or not. I doubt it does. Evin, my other walk-in, is a liosalfar (essentially an elf) and he's an earth/air. I'm a vampire and I'm fire/water. I have an affinity for water, my energy says fire, and my astrological sign says air. It's wacky, go figure. Zygo, that's from a standpoint of only using 4 elements. I don't and haven't ever used shadow or spirit as elements although I realize some do. Then again, I don't count vampires as kin either. *shrugs* Hm, technicalities, technicalities.

If you don't count Vampires as Kin then what do you believe they are?

I am a demon too, well sort of anyway, but the links Terro posted are a long way off describing me.
So everyone's different I guess.

Rosa

As long as she doesn't call me a human with an energy deficiency we're all good.

What kind of demon are you Rosa?
Can I ask you that? I hope so.

Haha, I don't count vampires as kin because none of the ones I have met so far are nothing more than humans with an energy deficiency. I won't call you one Velvet if you so wish but now you have me curious. lol

Kanii didn't mean that the kind of demon she is is the ONLY kind of demon. She was just speaking from her perspective.

I love this place! I've only been here a little while and its so much more diverse than any other forum I've been on. Sorry, I'm just excited to learn. lol So many curiousities to explore.

I'm not saying this theory is wrong for all Vampires crimsonmelody, I can't speak for all Vampires because I don't know them, but I don't mind explaining what I mean for me.
I know that I am an energy deficient being because my essence requires the kind of energy that my human body just can't provide, but unfortunately I am one of those hideous creatures who believes that the human part of me is only an outer shell. An overcoat I wear in order to make me acceptable to society. I live in it, I care for it, feed it and get it medical help if it needs it, and I accept it's limitations (though I'm not always happy about them. lol), but that is as much of a connection to it as I have. Therefore I cannot be a human with an anything.
Vampire is what humans call beings like me, it's the word they use to describe me, and since I have no problem with labels that are used to help understand and not ridicule or belittle, I go with the easily understood word Vampire, but there are many energy deficient beings on this forum, and not all of them would identify themselves as a Vampire. They reside in human bodies like me, and take in extra Psi energy to maintain their essence just like me. But they are not creatures like me.
That is why I believe that to classify all Vampires in this way is wrong, because although it does describe many of the Vampires you will meet in forums on the internet, it doesn't describe them all, and the description does not just apply to Vampires, so it is not only an inaccurate description it is also incomplete.
The whole energy deficiency and feeding issue is complicated and I find the way people have of describing Vampires as 'energy deficient humans' dismissive and a bit rude.
Maybe most Vampires don't mind, or maybe most of them agree with this description, I don't know. I only know that it doesn't fit me, and there are quite a few other people I know that it doesn't fit either, so at least I'm in good company.

I believe in the vibrational theory. Science has proven that everything that exists vibrates on a certain set frequency all it's own. Each one is different and so distinguishable from all the rest. I am an essence being who vibrates at such a fast, high and intense rate that extra energy is necessary for me so that I do not feed on the energy the human body needs in order to sustain itself.
I feed on Psi energy because it is everywhere and easy for me to process. I have blood fed in the past, but not for many years now, and I am a vegetarian too so my body really doesn't have the energy to spare for the essence to feed from.
Like I said this is only me, as I know myself. Others may be the same, and some others could be different. Some could even be energy deficient humans.

The Walk-in part of me is even more complicated than this, so I'll leave that for another time.

Thank you Velvet! That's really interesting and the first that I've heard of it. I understand how being called "an energy-deficient human" could be annoying/insulting/whathaveyou and so I'll be more careful with generalities.

I'm sorry crimsonmelody, and could you apologise to Kanii for me please? I didn't read her comment that way, and I didn't mean it to sound as though I did.
I hate the way it's so easy to misread things, I hadn't noticed that before I joined a forum. It's very hard to get it right isn't it?