In your post above Katie you appear to e saying that you believe that all mundanes (by that I assume you mean humans) have the potential to become kin, if only they are willing to change.
I cannot understand where this idea comes from, but I would love to hear more about what has brought you to this conclusion.

I have seen that often the more "aware" mundanes swing towards spiritualism which as a religion seems to fall somewhere between christianity and Wicca but is still very much a one god religion.

These people are undoubtedly more aware of the world and quite often Kin do find a way to their own awakening by following this path.
Humans can be Mediums and witches but that doesn't make them Kin or able to be Kin.
Just more aware than the others.

Zygo

Yes Zygo, I would agree with that.
Humans may aspire to be kin, and they may 'upgrade' themselves to become more spiritually aware humans, but they will always still just be humans.
Humans who can become kin by any method sounds to me too much like turning for me to take it seriously.
For me there are kin and there are non-kin, and the kin cannot be human though of course they have to live in human bodies and play make believe just to get by, and humans can never be kin, no matter what they do, though of course they too can make believe if that is what they wish.
In any existence there are kin and non kin and the two are completely different, and not interchangable.
You can pretend your dog is a cat if that is what makes you happy, but you will never be able to make him miaow!
Instead of wishing he was something he will never be, better just to accept that he's is a dog, and learn to love him just for that.
Love humans for being human if you want to, but if you love them why do you want to change them? And trying to make them into something they can never be will just cause misery for all concerned.

I do not believe in turning. Turning would be the forceful changing of one being by another. If a being does not have the will it won’t be forced into growing. You can only force a being into regression. I believe merely in what I suppose would be a type of evolution. Since I can't quite seem to label beings by their forms I must label them by the way they feel. I feel two distinct types of hums, that of kin and that of mundanes, and I don't just mean humans, I mean animals as well. They're a bit different because of the shape their form applies to the life within, but they still sing the same song just in a different tune. in quietly asking questions to certain mundanes about things I see and if they see it too, they've found their own path to awareness without having it be labeled. Without it being labeled they have no definition or outline to work with so everything they find is unbiased by what they've heard, read or found in our world, and yet they find the same answers. With these answers their hum changed. I have met mundane witches and mediums, but they still feel more mundane to me than what these people feel like. I used to believe whole heartedly that there were kin and there were humans and that they were as different to one another as a cat and a mouse, but feeling the changes that these mundanes have been going through has molded my view. I have stopped asking them questions and trying to get their thoughts to drift this way or that because I was afraid I might be leading them without letting them find whatever it is they’re going to find. I also never told them of this world for fear that they would do as the make-believers do. Where they create a fantasy and play what they've found into it giving it strength without actually moving forward or discovering their own truth. They do not hum exactly as kin do, but they no longer hum as the mundanes either. It's something new and in between. It was just surprising because they now see things about me that they didn't before. Knowing what I’m not without me telling them and without knowing what I am. and I also can't tell them because then they might base their discoveries on this world, or be afraid of the world and revert back to their mundane ways. which would be a shame because it's fun hearing their views on how they perceive the world now. So I don’t know if it’s completely possible for mundanes to become kin because it hasn’t happened, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible either, not for all of them.

I have to say firstly I found your post a little hard to follow Katie...... But surely what you're saying is a bit like waiting for a cow to change into a horse, and saying just because it hasn't happened yet, they both have four legs and eat grass so it should be possible!


Why aren't humans just humans and kin just kin?
Why is the half hum you are hearing not merely unawakened kin?
For me it all comes down to this, if kin is in your blood then it is, if it's not you can't put it there.
I don't think humans can be forced, bribed, guided or tempted into becoming kin. I think maybe you're over thinking this. But then I'm new to all this too so it's easily done I guess.

Sorry if it was hard to follow, i tend to make things more compicated than they are and my thoughts jump around a lot making my sentences weird. But i understand what you're saying.

i don't know why aren't humans just humans and kin just kin but also why must it be that way? It's true that i was not born into the world of kin so there may be truths that the kin world know that i do not. But from my limited supply of history and only my own discoveries and memories to go on, i can sense the difference in mundanes and kin, but i can also sense their likeness.
I realize that i could be completely wrong. It is only a theory, so i'm not going to say it's the indisputable truth because it isn't.
I don't think they are unawakened kin simply because they felt identical to all the other humans around me. Do unawakened kin feel identical to mundanes? Maybe they would be considered unawakened kin because they have the possibility. Maybe that's simply a mistake that's been made. That those who have the possibility to become aware, whether their essence has been mundane or not, make them unawakened kin. Maybe any living thing that gets put into the right environment with the right amount of flexibility and ask the right questions they can find their way from being mundane to being kin. Or maybe there's something else awakening here that is neither mundane nor kin and never will me either.
So i guess i would like to know what unawakened kin feel like? do they feel identical to mundanes? because i have met kids who feel like i do though duller. Like they have an unconsious awareness and all they need to do is make it conscious.

OK let me try this one.
I'm usually pretty good at putting things across.
Kin and humans are not the same. Kin have a spirit of a kind that a human could not even touch.

Kin vibrate on one level, humans on a completely different one. It must be that way, simply because that's the way it is, in the same way that a cow is a cow and a horse is a horse, it must be that way because that's the way it is. There is a place for both creatures.

Firstly a latent kin spirit raised by humans to believe they ARE human WILL feel exactly the same as a human, because that's what they believe themselves to be. The differences in the 'feel' of them only begins once awakening is triggered. The further along in their awakening they become the less human they 'feel' both to you and to themselves, and the less obvious the 'likenesses' become, as the human steps back and the kin comes to the fore.
A mundane essence may become more aware of our world, but will never become kin. The best they can hope for is to to be a +1. This is where at a kin party the kin would be the clan member/invited guest and the human travelling with them would be their guest. So you would get This invitation admits kin named (insert kin name here) +1 guest (insert human here).
They will be a guest or perhaps even a very good friend, but never a clan member. Closer to kin than most humans could ever be, but never true kin.

Enlightenment is available to all, and even kin should strive to be as enlightened and aware as they can possibly be, but Kinness is not environmental, nor can it be taught, caught, or bought.
You either are or you're not. If you're not, it doesn't matter how much you learn or who raises you you will always be human. Just as you will never suddenly wake up a horse or a tomato plant, they can never learn how to be kin.
One of my very good friends was raised by a Vampire and her husband. She understands the world of kin like no other human I have ever met, but she is still human, and having seen the problems both her mother and I have living our lives, the moving, the hiding, the secrecy, she is not as upset at being human as you might imagine!
One other point that I would like to make at this stage is that there is no chance of the essence of human and the essence of any kin mixing to produce a hybrid. Like the mating of an Ape and a Zebra, it is not going to happen.
I was born into the kin world, and have existed there with very little contact with the human world. Short term leases, but I never bought a house, shall we say?
These are the things I have been raised to know. I am happy to share with anyone. But no-one can change a mind that is closed, and I would not try.
Questions were asked and I have answered them to the best of my ability.

The unawakened might feel like humans to you, but to me and others like me there is a difference. Once you are more awakened yourself you will probably be able to tell too.
Already you are sensing kids who feel like you only they are not so far along their path and so feel 'duller'. You may feel a little confused right now, but give yourself time. With more experience and more practice the true kin and the true human will be so obviously different in the way their spirits feel that it will be impossible for you to ever confuse them again. You are only young yet, there is much to learn, but you have plenty of time in which to learn it.
You have shown yourself more than capable. Bright, curious and tenacious, you have a strong and vital essence. Keep questioning. You'll go far.

Shade.

I understand most everything you're saying, except for the whole

I sort of get what it's saying but i have no idea how it applies because it sounds like the rules of an RPG and those rules always confuse me. so i'll just assume that you're saying a human can know our world and see it but never be truly apart of it. Yeah, rereading it i still don't get it, but oh well.
I just don't understand why my instincts are telling me that's not altogether true. What I've been thinking goes against everything I've learned so far, and yet the voice inside me that helps me find truth says that we're missing something. I'm going to just let it go because the only thing that really thinks this new idea is possible is that feeling, so yeah. Thanks for answering my questions!

Are you saying that a kin and a human shouldn't be together?
What if they fall in love?

You can't say that a kin cannot love a human, or vice versa. No-one can control who they fall in love with.

HeeHee, silly.
The +1 system is not a Role Play thing, it's a wedding/party/back stage pass thing.
To let you know that if you're invited and you're single you can bring a friend if you want.
I was trying to use it to convey the idea that although humans could float along in the slip stream of whoever kin they were hanging with, it would only give them a kin connection, not make them actual kin.
You're welcome for the info on what I know/think/believe.
But don't abandon what you think, my advice would be to merely shelve it for a while until you get further information that confirms what you used to think, or re-enforces what you are beginning to believe now.

Not at all. Kin and humans do fall in love etc but they wouldn't make a half human half Kin Baby.
It would either be Kin or Human.
Not both.

Zygo

Oh good grief! Absolutely NOT.


Fortunate Humans and Kin date, fall in love, marry and have children all the time.
Their children could be kin or human. If they have more than 1 child all might be kin, or all might be human, but more often there will be children that are kin, and children that are human in the same family.
But what I was saying, obviously badly, was that none will be half human and half kin. Like any two completely diverse species, the essences do not mix that way.
That was all I meant. I never would try to defy the untamed force of nature that constitutes love.
I couldn't fight it, I don't even understand it!

I think I get the idea of the essences.

It's sort of like a horse and a donkey can mix their essences because they are close enough in types to have that happen. But a cow and a horse couldn't because their types are not close enough.
And so although two Otherkin types could mix because their essences are similar enough, a kin and a human couldn't because their types are not.
I think.

And I had experience of the +1 system when we went to a restaurant for mum's birthday. Except there were 8 of us so it was Dad(because he was the one who booked the table) +7.

Spot on Darke.

Zygo

I thought very hard about that undefinable 'something' that I could not describe to you all.
That thing that I think makes us kin, but could not put into words.
I even talked to my grandfather about it last weekend and he gave me a few words that resonated as no words have when I have thought about it before.

He said what makes us kin and the humans not is.............
The Spark of The Divine.
That minute fragment of the source that all kin carry within them. Connecting them directly to the source and giving them the light that glows from within to bring warmth and to illuminate an otherwise cold and bleak world, in a false existence. Trying vainly to be that which we can never be...........
Human like all the rest.

He took special care to point out that whilst kin can act as human, even believe they are human for years. They are always aware somewhere inside themselves that they are not the same.
Whilst we can be human....We cannot be human like all the rest of the humans.
We can only be a kin version, whist we await the right and proper time to awaken and become our true selves.

I thought I would share this with you as it completes my answer to Katies question. A little late I know, but better late than never!!

Multumesc Bunic.
Thankyou Grandfather.

Lady C.