Despite our "kinness"...at our core, we are all human beings, but take heart.

We would have ourselves believe that "human" means nothing more than pain, a void of Self...we would have ourselves believe that being a Human means nothing more than that...Indeed, we have allowed ourselves this belief and so we push to find MORE...because our souls strain under the restlessness that is our pure and indefinite, undefined, Self.

Take heart, because we are so much more. We are Human, but we are unconscience, unconfident and afraid. There is so much about ourselves that we don't even know or understand yet...so many paths yet untaken, so much undiscovered...how can we say "just human" when we know not what being a Human really even entails?

Having a job, raising children, living and dying? Is that really it? If that were all, then what is with this insatiable hunger and longing for more...for spirituality...?

We try so hard to make an answer, to create a solution and yet STILL the restlessness proceeds through our prayers and our dreams. Why have we not yet concluded that We are the answer that we search for? Why must we be so LOUD in our dreams and so quiet in our thoughts and in our lives?

Being Human means being aware....of what, we do not know because we are yet unaware of ourselves...of our cores. We catch glimpses in our art and our music, our writings and musings...in our dreams. When will our waking world reflect it?

We as human beings have yet to Awaken...truly...to our own Selves. But once we do come to a culmination, we will evolve into what we were really meant to be and into what we dream about at night...we will be what we write about and what we pray to. Some day...we will be more than just proud to declare that we are Humans.

If you want to speak for yourself then please say I, because when you say the word 'we' then you make it look like you're speaking for all of us, and I don't think you can speak for me because I don't know you and you don't know me.
I suppose maybe I'm lucky, but I've never thought of myself as 'just' anything, I've always had enough pride in who I am to know that I'm me and that's always been enough.

I don't think of myself as human. I am Kin. For me there is no despite my Kinness. I am proud to be who and what I am. I feel no shame for my Kinness and so I don't feel the need to deny it.
I live inside a human shell, but that doesn't make me human and it never will. I also live inside a one story house, but that doesn't make me a bungalow!
To me human is something you are through and through, in and out, totally and completely. I'm definitely not that, so I'm definitely not human.

You will find a few people here who agree with your view of Otherkin Airelinn, but you will also find many people here who do not think of themselves as human, especially not while they are here. The real world is where we all get to be human, here is where we get to be Kin.

Many here believe that what makes you what you are is what is inside, not what is outside, that being, after all, only skin deep.
So whilst I believe that your post has great value, especially to all those who are having a hard time relating their Kinness to their humanity and getting them to live together harmoniously. (It can be one of the hardest things to do.) I would appreciate it if you would not make posts grouping all Kin together as if we all believe the same thing because not all Kin do believe that we are all just human, and whilst it may be what you believe and you have every right to say it, I would be grateful if you wouldn't make it sound as though everyone here believes that, because not everyone does.

If anyone has anything constructive to add to this topic then please do, if however all you want to do is state that you believe you are human or you don't believe you are then please don't. Any posts like that from anyone will be deleted. We have heard that enough here and I don't want to have to close this topic.

Thankyou.

Lady C.

I had that kind of trouble when I first began awakening, I didn't see how I could be one thing on the outside and another deep inside, right in the heart of me.
If you believe that it is the essence of a thing that makes it what it is, then I suppose it depends entirely on where you believe that essence lies. Does it lie at the very heart of the thing, at it's core, protected and cherished, or does it lie on the surface for all the world to see?
Once I had my answer to that question the rest was much easier. I don't mean that it all fell into place and everything was so easy it almost happened by itself or anything like that. It still took effort, but it made more sense and felt more right once I knew which direction I was approaching my Kinness from.

Faith

I'm sorry if I offended you...when I said "kinness", I didn't mean "Otherkinness"...

I guess I'm peaceful at heart: that we all live on Earth makes us kin to me...but again, I'm sorry if you don't feel this way and were offended...

This is the reason I put the post in the human section of this forum...for the "humans" within...
I wrote this so that we who are humans do not have to feel that "just human" feeling.

Keep in mind that while people are unaccepting of otherkin, there are otherkin that sometimes make humanss feel...like less...(for lack of a better explanation). The forum was meant to give hope to us "just humans"...because we are more than that.

If you're a vampire, that's okay. If you're an angel or a dragon, demon or were...then that is okay too. What I was writing, was that being human is more than being some normal, boring and ignorant Being. A human, who is open, can be so much more than "just". Sometimes it's hard for us to see that when one side (other humans) say we are "just humans, and nothing more" and another side (otherkin) feel wings and feed off of other energies and remember falling from the stars...

Soooo..in short...I guess I would just ask that people please ignore the first sentence of my "rant"...I really didn't mean it in the way that people took it...I should have realized that it would be taken that way...

I believe I see where the unfortunate misunderstanding has arisen.

The last time anyone posted the words 'we are all human' here they were trying to make all the Kin here into something many of them do not wish to be. Kind of forcing them into being human against their will, which of course is unkind and not really acceptable.
It is my belief that people come here to be otherkin, and that while this is the forum section for Human discussions this is still not somewhere where pushing human-ness onto people should be allowed.
There is a point where it stops being a point of mention and becomes a point that is being rammed home with unnecessary force.

I am human, not human and anything. As you said Airelinn, just human. (Though as you guessed, I do prefer to say it without the 'just'. lol)
I have never to my knowledge been anything other than human, and see no reason why I will be anything else, and yet I feel completely OK with that.
You are correct aswell when you say a human who is open can be so much more than that, but also Kin who are open can be so much more than human, it is a shame that neither seem to be willing to realise that perhaps those who are more open are not wrong in what they think, they are simply more open to their own possibilities and the possibilites of others.
Perhaps clinging to your human-ness is not the way forward, perhaps attachment to your human side is one of the first stages, something some Kin have been through and have come past into the next phase.

Well there's no real reason why you would know that it would be taken that way, it's been a bit touchy here for a while thanks to some differences of belief that some find unable to come to terms with.
They say a lot about everyone having their own beliefs and it being OK, but then take every given opportunity to quote their tennet at you, loudly and persistently.
There are more important things to talk about, but somehow every subject seems to be brought right back to the same one, which is getting a bit childish and tedious now.

You simply got hit by some of the backlash and that is a real shame.
Castle Otherkin never used to be like this, and I think though we are trying hard to get it back again, it will take time. Especially if we're submarined at every turn.

Well said Darke...... So lets go talk about more important things then shall we.

Zygo

Thank you for your words...I felt a little side-swiped there, but I suppose it was kind of a radical statement...and I should have known better than to start it off the way I did....

I had a dream awhile ago that led me to the conclusion that I just wrote in the thread...I just kinda' wrote it on a whim at the moment inspiration hit if you know what I mean. Normally I write the stuff and post it after a day but I was on the forums when it came so rather than waste time (as inspiration is fleeting ) I just posted the sucka'...hehe

I'll prolly post the dream later, but I'm still tyring to work it over in my head; it was pretty strange....hehe

OK this is exactly what I won't have.
For the record this forum allows people to state their beliefs up to a point, however in this case members were expressly asked not to do the human debate.
This is Airelinn's topic and has a valid issue to discuss which is being used to discuss, yet again, a topic that has been covered, in my opinion, too many times already.
Therefore any and all posts that are not relevant have been deleted. As I warned they would be.

I'd be very interested in hearing about your dream Airelinn.
I've been having some pretty strange dreams myself just recently, and I've been thinking about posting them on the forum. It would be great if they had some company so I didn't look quite so alone.

Do you think all human beings are so much more Airelinn?
Hi by the way.
You don't think any of them are 'just' human?
And do you really think that living on the planet together means we are all connected in some way? I've always felt that way, but wondered why most others don't feel it.
I'd love to discuss this with you some more.

Silken.

Thanks, Darke...I was a little apprehensive in posting it, but I did it...it's really long, tho...@.@

And, yes, silken, I do believe humans are more than they themselves believe...or are aware of. I think that's why there are so many "restrictions" to our mundane lives. I guess I'm a gnostic at heart in that way...See, Gnostics believed that Adam and Eve were celestial rulers of Earth and that they fell from that purpose.
I'm somewhat, scientific, though...so I don't know that I believe that exactly, but I do know that we are capable of more than we know of...part of it will come with evolution, I think...I also believe that some of it has to do with a few factors, one being that on the physical plane that we live on, there are certain "Laws"....Although much more is possible than we think, we are pretty powerless against these laws, and there's a good reason for this: Balance. Upsetting the Balance would be to bring our own world crashing down on us.
The other reason, is evolution. People have had the idea that they cannot influence the environment ingrained in them for so long that it would take generations of training to be able to do anything "outlandish"...

Now, I know there are those out there reading and saying that they are the exception, and that's fine. I just have yet to see it, okay? I mean, I'm a firm believer that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, that it DOES NOT make a sound. That's just how I am. I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just being blunt. I'm not about to argue in your beliefs, however, because that would be akin to trying to convert a religious fanatic. I'm not even going to try. Besides, I love that people have their individuality; I would never dream of trying to change anyone that way.

As to whether I see all people on the planet as being kin, OF COURSE I DO!!! Not just people, tho, but the animals as well!! Out of all the planets in all the universe in all the galaxies and just the few billion/trillions of us living on this one little planet? How can we NOT be connected. I just think it's ridiculous that we spend so much freakin' time hurting each other, drawing lines and bickering over beliefs...of all the things to fight over, and we fight over what each other should think!!! It's incredible to me how egotistical we can be to think that any one of us knows more than the other...

Thank you for your interest in my thoughts, silken...a penny for yours? (hehe...well, more than that, really...especially with the economy the way it is today...sheesh; don't get me started on THAT now, lol!! @.@)