My statement might not make sense to people who believe what you do, but to people who share my beliefs that kin essences don't exist...that otherkin result when non-human souls or energies end up in human bodies it makes sense completely. To people who share my beliefs, when we aren't in human bodies, when we're back in the body we "belong" in...like I'd be in a tiger body, we're simply what we are. I'd just be a tiger not otherkin or kin of any kind other than tiger.

Since you, and many people here, do *not* share by beliefs on the subject, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

That's exactly why I don't intend to ever call myself otherkin again.
Because people who believe what you do, are Otherkin.

And of course you demand that I acknowledge your beliefs, whilst you can openly say that you think I and my kind don't exist.

I find that highly offensive.

Darkness is correct Byakko. She is saying that she does not agree and that she doesn't refer to herself as Otherkin because of such things. You then proceed to talk about it further and say stuff that is apparent like how it would be obvious if she believed how you do.

Well, as you yourself said, many here do *Not* believe that way, and we do not tell you what you should or can believe. So then, since you know that we don't believe how you do. And thus, it wouldn't be obvious to us what you mean. You might want to explain it so that it can be understood better by all.

It also seems that you set up that so that even if you did not intend it, you had the last word. You are not leaving her very much room to agree to disagree without continuing to argue.

So, you might try explaining things better. After all, A German cannot come onto an English speaking forum and expect them to understand him. He will have to learn some English.


Also, I know it sounds like I just completely hate you I bet, but I really don't. I just don't want further arguing to ensue. So I would rather you be angry at me, than at darkness to avoid that.

Please don't argue, just all be nice and explain things and get along.

~Farshief

What it seems to me is that now people are intentionally reading into things, seeing things in my posts that are simply not there. I left my previous post the way I did because there's no point to arguing based on different belief systems that will not change. The debate has already occurred on this forum and I don't see a need for it to happen again.

What I see is people who don't believe what I do and while they say I'm welcome to my beliefs tell me that in sharing my beliefs I'm somehow claiming mine are "right", telling others what to believe, and so on. I often feel in the minority here, but not until today did I feel like I don't belong here. Maybe I don't. While this place preaches that it's for everyone to belong to, it has become increasingly clear that it's for people of like mind to belong to. What I believe makes the otherkin community at large what is is, is the diversity of its members...only here the only diversity is of kintype, not of beliefs. Or so it seems based on the reactions and comments that I've had aimed at me since I joined.

If you want to see my explaining why I typed what I typed as some kind of attack, nothing I can say about how that wasn't my intention will make you believe otherwise. Hence the agree to disagree bit. What you want to call yourself is your business. What you believe as to kin souls and the like is what you believe. It isn't what I believe and no amount of making me feel out of place and intentionally misunderstanding my words will change that. I never once said someone's "kind" didn't exist. I said that our beliefs on what makes us us differ. By your definition, darkness, I'm not otherkin. Have I taken offense to that? No. So why do you find offense where there isn't any?

I find it combative and offensive for people to say I'm wrong because what I say doesn't fit their beliefs. I've never once said any of you are wrong despite the fact that we don't believe the same thing on the big topic of what makes someone otherkin or what a kin soul/energy is. My beliefs have been discussed in detail and both you darkness and you farshief have seen said posts. Therefore, what I typed in this thread shouldn't come as a great shock or something you didn't already know. It shouldn't have been confusing. I also shouldn't have to constantly type what I believe and why when it's already been said in at least two places.

You say

There's nothing to argue other than people finding things in the posts of others that simply aren't there.

Well at least I now know why I get such a cool reception from almost every corner of the internet.
so to echo certain other posts

Thanks Byakko

I have seen for a good few years now that certain animals felt different to all the others just like there are humans that feel different to all the others too. I only recently found the common denominator in that there are Kindred in animal bodies as well as in human bodies.
So the Dog, Cat, Bear, Wolf etc that I connect with and find to be understandable is of a kind "Kin" to me.
Kin meaning family or one with Family Ties.

It also makes sense then that Byakko would feel like a displaced soul if she is not Kindred because being a Tiger she is a displaced soul in a human body.

Zygo

Well posting to say that in your belief Kin essences don't exist could be seen as offensive, especially when you know the forum is literally teeming with people who believe that it is their essence that makes them 'Kin'.
Though I am now beginning to hate that word too. As the way they define it, it doesn't apply to me either. I am yet another of those non-existent Kin essences.
If we're all so hateful to you why do you put up with it? There are lots of other forums, why on earth do you stay somewhere where you feel so unwelcome?
I don't want to be rid of you, but I am very curious about that.

How can you say this

when Darkness said this

What she appears to be saying here is that by your defintion she is the one who is not otherkin, and that is fine with her.

I noticed that from the very first you appeared determined to set yourself apart from everyone else here, to show that you are different, and when they treated you like one of them who just thought differently they were in the wrong. Now that they are beginning to agree with you, and seperate themselves from you and the way you believe, it would appear that they are still wrong.

By your own admission no-one has ever said that you could not post your beliefs, and many members here have agreed with them, a fact you seem to have conveniently forgotten.
If you feel like you do not belong here, then perhaps you are right, but it would be a shame to have you leave without ever getting to know you.
There is more to discover about you than the fact that you believe that you are merely a displaced entity who thinks that Kin essences do not exist.
And there is more to them than just a group of people who think differently than you and say so.
As for this:

This is not the otherkin community at large, this is one small forum, with members doing exactly what people of all kinds do, gathering together as a group of like minded individuals. No member of the otherkin community is forced to remain a member of any forum that it joins where it does not feel comfortable. There are many forums out there to choose from, more than enough for all members of the otherkin community to find one whose membership thinks the same or at least in a similar way as they do.
Forums where they can post their ideas and beliefs in peace, and be agreed with, instead of posting somewhere where their posts cause conflict and then complaining when they do.

As Lady C says often, no-one is a prisoner here. The doors work equally well both coming in and going out.
If you do decide that this is not the place for you Byakko, then I wish you a safe journey, and a happy existence. I hope you find yourself in the right body next time around.

Kes.

Isn't it amazing that the people who pick on us for being intolerant and elitist are the ones who can regularly be found saying things like

and

Now ignoring the side road that certain people have once again tried to shunt another good topic down, let's get back to the question at hand.
I recognise virtually nothing of what this person says as being related to me and The Shadow race I am a member of at all.
While he may have every true discription of his shadow-kin in this article, they are far removed from The Shadow as I know and recognise them.
Within my understanding of Shadow there are two different kinds. The most talked about kind are the ones who gave form and shape, energy and therefore life to the races of beings now classified by many as the Otherkin.
Those are the ones who watch and guide, who guard and fight.
Then there are those who in the very beginning, seperated themselves to be just The Shadow, a race of their own. That does not make them evil, they are in fact neither one thing or the other, they are what must be. That is the type of Shadow I am.
Neither of these types is mentioned in this article, so I am afraid I can't be of any help at all with this.

I would be delighted to do a Myth buster of The Shadow as I know them, if you really think it would be of any interest to anyone.

Shade.

I would personally love for you to do a Myth Buster for The Shadow. I can't speak for the rest of the Castle obviously, but I would find any information positively wonderful.

So yeah, I hope you will do that,
~Farshief

Yes it would Shade absolutely.
Yes please.

Zygo

Well this is not Shadow as I have come to know them, whether Shades will be either I will wait and see.

I now find 'anything-kin' so uncomfortable a label to live with that I have asked Lady C to change my name to Fallen One.
I cannot be happy leaving it as it is, when it apparently has come to mean what I have read here.

How very sad to be so narrow minded that one can only see ones own differences as valid, and everyone else's differences of belief do not exist. I wish I could say it was unusual, but it is not, the ones who claim displacement/transplant instead of essence are proving to be incredibly intolerant of anyone else's view, the proof of this statement is becoming more plainly seen on forums across the internet.
The essences and the transplants both exist, they are completely different, and exist for completely different reasons. We essences argue our corner and stand up for our right to be, but do not argue their right to views and beliefs, and yet they argue our very existence. How extremely fair and unbiased.

I distance myself from them and their beliefs, only because they clash with my own. I have no desire to hear them tell me what I am any longer, nor do I have any desire to justify myself to them, and so while I accept their existence, they cease to matter.

Jardinn.

Fallen One

Jardinn, I absolutely agree with you.
I think if they want Otherkin as much as they seem to, why don't we just let them have it?

I was a Wiccan Vampire long before I ever heard the word Other-Kin, hearing the word didn't change me, using it didn't change me, it didn't make me anything else, I was still a Wiccan Vampire. So abandoning it to be a Wiccan Vampire will not make any difference to me.

So if anyone asks me now if I am Other-kin I will say
"I used to think so, but now I know better".

Moon.

Edited because even I know that abandoning only has one 'b'.

Ya know what I always find funny? People who say that people who simply state what they believe are in some way passing judgement on other people's beliefs, saying they're wrong, or are in some way trying to deprive them of their beliefs or make their beliefs look incorrect...when all they're doing is stating their beliefs. They then go on to imply that the alternative view point is wrong because it isn't theirs--something the person didn't do in the first place but is being accused of.

But it gets better...

Those people then go on to imply that the person who, in explaining their beliefs, is depriving them of theirs in some way is narrow minded...I just find that hypocritical. Call me crazy.

If I ever said someone's beliefs were incorrect, do show me the quote. If I ever said that my beliefs are right, again please show me the quote. I do *not* appreciate having my words and beliefs thrown in my face as something they are not. I respect yours even though they differ, I guess I shouldn't expect the same in return.

My beliefs are my beliefs, your beliefs are yours. I acknowledge them and can respect them as your beliefs, but I don't share them just as you don't share mine. I don't go around saying you're narrow minded because of it.

I could almost cry. Except I'm laughing too much.

No there is nothing here I see that is anything like Shade has written, I suppose he could be the now dreaded otherkin. So that would probably explain it.

I can't wait for your myth buster Shade.

First off, to avoid more typing than necessary. Let me say that Kes has already addressed a large deal of your arguments in her previous post.

Now then, it is true (to my knowledge), that you have never directly said that someone else's beliefs were wrong. However, you have implied it on more than one occasion. Quoting Kes:

Addressing that bit... Could you clarify for me what you mean by you don't appreciate having your words and beliefs thrown in your face as something they are not. Could you give me an example of this?

You say you respect our beliefs even when they differ what that you shouldn't expect the same in return. That is frankly a load of bull. We have never told you that your beliefs were wrong, just as (again, to my knowledge), you haven't told us that. But as has once again already been said, you are constantly differentiating yourself. You are different, WE GET IT! Move on for crying out loud! Talk about something else. Talk about how your day went. Problems you might be having. Make some friends. Stop setting yourself apart from everyone one else in EVERY SINGLE POST. (To be a part of this community, you cannot constantly set yourself apart, or you are merely a person in this community that doesn't want to be a part of this community.) That is pretty much all that we ask...


Second to last, stop arguing the same points over and over. You keep driving the same points from different angels. Get a new point. I'm sure you and everyone arguing the opposing are tired of arguing over the same things.


And Lastly, once again quoting Kes who was quoting Camille:

~Farshief