I don't know where to put this so I'm putting here for now. If ,Lady C., you want to move it, you can.

Okay, lately I've been getting into fights with people over my beliefs and God and stuff. so before anyone on here judges me by belief let me try to say it in the least complicated way I can. And before the storm takes the power out.

I believe there is no God. I beleive that when you die you have a choice to be reencartnated, become a spirit to forever roam the Earth or whatever else you can do. I believe the choices you make effect you for the rest of your life. I beleive miricals are the work of people themselves not of a mystical being that no one can prove exist.


Sorry it's short. There is more, I'm just afraid the storm here is getting worse and it is. I'm not pressuring people , I'm just throwing it out there I will try to explain it better in the future. For now I have to get off of here.

Kiari

It is my belief that all deities are just humanity's way of relating to an abstract concept. I believe that all deities are just names and faces that humans have given to the Universe/Source/etc. I believe that the Universe, as its own entity, determines where a soul will go, so I do believe in reincarnation and that it isn't a choice among beings other than angels and demons, since they don't exactly have souls the way animals, humans, elves, etc. have souls. I believe that miracles are often either because the "person" isn't human at all, but a manifesting angel/demon, or that the Universe is working through them, or that they're just that talented.

I don't understand why people cause "fights" over religion and I'm sorry to hear that you've had to deal with that...okay so I do understand why some people do: because they're so convinced they're right that they refuse to hear anyone's beliefs if they differ from their own. I'm not saying that about you, but people who would fight with you, you know? Just because people have different opinions/beliefs shouldn't mean that they can't discuss those beliefs as mature individuals.


-By

I do not believe in God either Kiari, at least not the idea of god given by any of the mainstream religions you find today.
I never have.
My upbringing was such that I was told bed time stories about The Source and The Shadow and their part in the origins of everything, but there was no ONE deity responsible for all that exists. And there was no one anything that I was supposed to bow before or feel gratitude to just because I existed. No vengeful being waiting for the sligh-*test*-('") excuse to condemn my soul to eternal damnation.

I also believe that when you die you can choose if and when you are to be re-incarnated. It is your essence after all, and you can decide what you want to do with it and when. If you do not wish to be reborn as a human (or an animal, for some of us have that choice too) straight away, you can exist in what the Vampires I grew up with called The Void. That is the place on one of the non physical planes, that you inhabit between your lives in human form.

I believe miracles are just things that sometimes happen. Randomly and for no real reason, certain people will just get lucky. I don't think anyone/anything chooses them to be the lucky ones and I don't think it is because they deserve it or have earned it. I think it is just one of those things that no-one can satisfactorily explain. That is after all what makes it a miracle.
The fights over religion are not done for the sake of the Gods that are being worshiped, or for those doing the worshiping, but for the sake of those organising the worshiping. Wars are begun by those in power in religions. They fight for the worshipers, to take them away from each other and have the most people in their 'gang'. They fight for the money, and support of those who worship at their particular temples. They fight for the power and the glory involved. Most disgustingly of all I believe that in this struggle for power and numbers of followers the original religious message of unity, love and support has all but been lost to most, and so gives entirely the wrong impression of both the religions and the deities they were intended to serve when they were first formed all those centuries ago.

I personally believe in a higher power, a central deity and source but attribute it closer to a cross between the Hindu concept of Brahman and Aquinas' primary mover theories.

My favorite phrase however describes my feelings towards many Christians, "I'm cool with God, not his fan club." People can be very closed towards religious beliefs off from their own, and it can be quite a pain dealing with them.

Wow Lady C. we have the same belief basically. Maybe it is a real one after all cause I know a few others who believe the same thing I do.

Kiari

I think people have always known that there was a something that organised things, way back before anything but it existed.
They had to call it something, and they all came up with their own names for it.
Now they are all arguing. Not over if it is, or what it is, or what it does, but over what is the correct name for it and which of them can most legitimately claim ownership of it!
Downright silliness.

Re-incarnation I think is up to the individual. As Lady C says it is your essence, who else but you would have more right to decide where it goes and what it does. That's called free will.

I would agree with the basis of the Primary mover pricipal

ie. if there is no-one/nothing to need it, it is not needed.
But not the ultimate conclusion that the primary mover must by definition be 'God'.
Unless by the word 'God' they intend to describe, only the original force of creation and not the man made concept of a male dominated society sporting flowing white robes and a beard.

http://otherkin.30.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=464
Even science cannot explain the existence of 'it'. The one thing in the whole of nothing that appeared from the nothing and just was.

Moon.

my view of primary mover also happens to be a being who has been perceived by many people. People who see something they don't understand seek to categorize or fill it in with something they do understand, children see monsters in the shapes of shadows on the wall, and a male dominant society chose to see the higher power as a male dominant deity with a flowing white robe.. at least as far as I can see.

Indeed children do see monsters in the shapes of shadows on the wall, but just because these monsters are only seen by children that does not make them any less real. Sometimes when a child sees a monster in the shadows it is because it is there. Not always, but sometimes.

I was one of those Haunting Silence (Hello )
I used to see hooded figures standing in the corner of the room and eyes watching me. They used to scare me silly.

I am not one for believing in a divine or omnipotent being.
I do however feel an energy which flows through, round and into everything. There are variants of that energy but what powers the variants is the same, It sort of sits underneath holding up all the other energy types. Connecting what I feel with what I have seen described here would mean that the energy I can feel is called the source.
But I don't personally equate it with a being or deity.

Wild

I used to be one of those kids too.I would see things in the corner of my eye. Like eyes and people running from something. I still see things like that but now when I see them I hear them too. I used to hear, and I still do, voices only. when I do I freak out and don't move till they go away. Then again I might be paranoid.

Kiari