Are The Fallen The Grigori, or are they something else entirely?

They are part of the Fallen, though not all fallen are of the Grigori.

~DA~

It's like White Wolf's Vampire - The Masquerade:
All Nosferatu are Vampire, but not all Vampire are Nosferatu.

Or even more simply:
All Werewolves are Otherkin, but not all Otherkin are Werewolves.

I find the whole Angel - Archangel - Fallen Angel thing both needlessly complicated and endlessly confusing.
I looked for ages when I first realised I had wings, thinking I was a member of The Fallen. Read everything I could find, and quickly realised that I would need to live more than one lifetime just to unravel the basics of stories that have been told and re-told so many times that they are different in each and every land you gather them from. And the few Angel names that are known are not always included in the same groups by every story teller. Very baffling to the amateur scholar.

The main problem here is that when searching for yourself you look for truth. But in any part of this voyage of self discovery the best you can hope for is something which, like a bell, when you ring it, sounds true to you.
With the biblical angel thing that is not good enough. You have to accept all their truth or none of it makes sense.
I found that that was not for me.
Luckily a very good friend told me to count my feet, and when I looked down I had FOUR. That kind of knocked being a member of the heavenly choir on the head for me.
A little more research revealed the possibility of a tail (which I still haven't found!! But I'm patient.) and a love of good hay that could not be denied!
So one Pegasus later I still don't understand all the ins and outs of the Angelic choral system, but I do know there are said to be lots of different groups and levels of Angels/Fallen, and The Grigori is said to be one of those groups.

They are only one group of The Fallen.

If you believe what the bible tells you and most particularly the Book Of Enoch, then the Grigori, whose name translates from the Greek as The Watchers (In Hebrew they are known as the Irin,) are the angels who were sent to earth simply to watch over the people.
According to the Book of Enoch, there were 200 Grigori in all, but only their leaders are named:
Samyaza, who was their overall leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Azazyel (also known as Azazel).
They soon found themselves lusting after the human women and with the encouragement of their leader many of them defected from heaven to marry the human women and live with them.
The children they produced were called the Nephilim, described as savage giants, monsters, 'The Abomination' and other colourful things like that.
It's said they filled the earth with violence until God sent the flood to destroy them, but he also sent Uriel to warn Noah so that some of the human race would survive.
The Grigori were bound "in the valleys of the Earth" until Judgment Day.

Many of them are still waiting.

That sounds so sad.....

The poor things.

Is there no other hope for them but to wait for judgement day? That seems like such a long time away.

I had a quick look on Wikipedia and it said there:
"There are two main groups of fallen angels; these were the angels that had taken Lucifer’s side during the battle for heaven and the fallen Watchers (or Grigory). In both groups the angels had been banished for misusing the free will that had been granted to them by God. "

I would really like to know...If god gave them free will, it was then theirs to do what they wanted with, right?
Sooo....How do you misuse something that has been given to you to do whatever you want with???
Seriously, religion is BIZARRE!!!!!

this is really werid... i did some research and idk it sounds like me.but im not sure.im still tryin to figure everything out

I had read (in one of the Books of Enoch...II, I believe) that the Fallen were trapped in one of the 10 (possibly, some believe there are only seven) heavens or dimensions....I took notes saying that fallen angels were trapped in a prison of the 2nd heaven (dimension), while the actual fallen Grigori and their "prince" (azazel) was trapped on the 5th. I don't remember exactly where in the second book of enoch it said that...I think it was more of a hint...I am sooooo wishing I had my books right now, but I just moved and they're all in storage!!
The ones trapped on earth were supposed to be the offspring of the Fallen Grigori...they were condemed to wander the Earth as "demons"...


HA! Found it!!

http://reluctant-messenger.com/2enoch01-68.htm

(look specifically at chapters 7 and 18)

Interesting..... Those bits of this book talk of the Grigori being exiled together but other things I have read put them all in seperate places. I suppose it would depend on the translator of the text in question and of course whether or not it was the same person that wrote the book or not.

There are times when I read the things Enoch said or about the things he is supposed to have done and I can only think ...... Some one did too much LSD in the sixties (or the biblical equivalent) then there are other times when the things he says actually make sense in a Kin kind of way.
Picking them out is occasionally a bit difficult but you can generally tell where he went a bit odd.
I think elevating himself to be Metatron was probably the icing on a very tall cake of fantasy personally. He should have stopped at the first layer, That way people might have taken him a little more seriously over the years. Or maybe he did and other people rewrote his words to hide what he really said.
That appears to happen a lot in religious texts.

There is hope for the fallen Faith.
Events have been put in motion that are already helping some of the Fallen to find what they are missing.

Zygo

I'm glad to hear that.

It's where things are left unsaid, that hope can grow:


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"5And I said to the Grigori: I saw your brethren and their works, and their great torments, and I prayed for them, but the Lord has condemned them to be under earth till the existing heaven and earth shall end for ever.

6And I said: Wherefore do you wait, brethren, and do not serve before the Lord’s face, and have not put your services before the Lord’s face, lest you anger your Lord utterly?

7And they listened to my admonition, and spoke to the four ranks in heaven, and lo! As I stood with those two men four trumpets trumpeted together with great voice, and the Grigori broke into song with one voice, and their voice went up before the Lord pitifully and affectingly."
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key word there: affectingly

Are you at work master Pheonix?
I hope all goes well if so.

That I am Darke...and I thank you for your well wishes
I am not the only one either, there are many things happening quietly in the background even as we speak.
I have made the offer of help before but I shall renew it here, so if anyone who feels that they may be one of the fallen, or is missing something, would like to contact me, we will do our level best to help in any way we can.

Zygo

From what I have heard there are now fewer lost boys than there were, thanks to your efforts.
My congratulations to you.

Shade.

Thankyou Shade.
Thats a nice analogy to put forward. I especially like the idea of Toots being able to fly again because he got his marbles (happy thoughts)back.


Zygo